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0時05分
Hello and welcome to another episode of Certara Talks.

0時07分
I’m here with my colleague, Senior Director of Clinical Pharmacology, Dr Amandine Manon.

0時13分
Welcome to Certara Talks.

0時14分
I was thinking, Amandine, that we could talk about an emerging class of therapeutics that’s gaining a lot of attention, particularly in the oncology landscape, and those are therapeutic radiopharmaceuticals.

0時24分
So could you define what those are for our audience that might not be familiar with this class?

0時30分
Sure.

0時31分
So these drugs are quite complex drugs.

0時34分
So it’s composed of a vector, which is generally a lot of it can be a small molecule, A peptide, A monoclonal antibody or even sometimes a single domain antibody.

0時46分
Then there is a linker and a chelator and the chelator covalently binds the radionuclide.

0時52分
So the radionuclide is the the active moiety and the vector is targeting A receptor that is overexpressed on tumour cells because as you said, the application right now within oncology, but there are also other therapeutic areas being being explored.

1:10
So it will probably, yeah, we will have a broader range of therapeutic area maybe in the future.

1:16
Yeah.

1:17
It sounds like a benefit of this class of drugs is that it’s a way of using radioactivity but targeting it to cancer, cancer cells so that patients get a more targeted treatment with more efficacy and less toxicity.

1:31
Yeah, exactly.

1:32
The the goal is really to have a receptor, targeting receptor that are overexpressed on the tumour but not in the normal organs to try to spare the normal organs and avoid delivering too much radioactivity in the kidney and the bone marrow, for example, that are sensitive tissues and really just target the the tumour.

1:51
So that’s the theory.

1:53
In reality, you have obviously some radioactivity also that by that distributing the in the body.

2時00分
But you know, it’s, it’s definitely an exciting science.

2時05分
And I saw that recently the FDA issued a draft guidance for oncology for therapeutic radiopharmaceuticals.

2時12分
And I know that you read it.

2時13分
And could you tell our audience what you thought some of the main takeaways were?

2時18分
So yeah, the main takeaways, I think it focus on 4 main topics to me.

2時23分
So first, the FDA acknowledged the difference between external beam radiation therapy and RPTS.

2時32分
So it’s a it’s a great achievement for the field because they have been fighting for that for for a long time.

2時38分
So that’s good.

2時40分
The second topic is the risk of long term radiation toxicities.

2時45分
It’s not a surprise with this type of drug.

2時48分
Then the FDA reiterate that the good principles of those optimization, so a car project Optimus apply to RPTS.

2時57分
So now it’s clear and finally they, they really highlight the critical role of dosimetry in, in the development of RPTS.

3時07分
So I think I, I would like to maybe discuss a bit more on the first topic, if you if you’re OK.

3時15分
Yeah, good.

3時17分
So I think it’s important that the FDA recognise the difference between EBRT and RPT in terms of dose rate, radiation distribution.

3時26分
So they confirm that the starting dose in the first in human study must have projected organ absorb dose below EBRT result.

3時36分
So using really the data we have under external radiation therapy that is used for ages, but now they open the possibility to the to the companies to escalate to doses to cumulative activity that exceed this EBRT result.

3時54分
So that’s a big change for us because now the EBRT threshold are more considered as a starting point than a stopping criteria for the dose escalation because before it was really a stopping criteria.

4時07分
So it will give the the opportunity to the companies to evaluate higher cumulative activities that may or may not translate we don’t know yet into better efficacy.

4時19分
So that’s that’s was a that’s a very important consideration in in that, in that guidance.

4時27分
And related to that, obviously those optimization project Optimus the good principles apply especially it’s not good news the randomised dose finding.

4時37分
So you have to test to evaluate at least to those level in a randomised manner as for any other drugs.

4時44分
So that’s, that’s it.

4時46分
Now it’s clear and it’s written in the guidance.

4時49分
They already told that in a workshop last year in May 2024 FDS and MMI workshop.

4時57分
So now it’s confirmed in the guidance.

5時00分
That’s great to know.

5時01分
And for our readers who may not be familiar with Project Optimus, that’s the FDA’s initiative that for oncology the maximum tolerated dose is no longer an acceptable dosing paradigm.

5時13分
And yeah, and you really have to optimise dosing for oncology therapeutics just like you would for any other therapeutic class.

5時19分
So Amandine, is there anything as you were reading the guidance, was there anything that stuck out to you as something that you didn’t see in see in the guidance that you would have liked to have seen?

5時29分
Yeah, when we read the guidance from Certara’s point of view, we thought that really the big missing piece was modelling and simulation.

5時38分
There is almost nothing about modelling and simulation in this guidance.

5時45分
So in the introduction they refer to the famous Optimus guidance that discuss a lot modelling and simulation.

5時52分
But it would have been better to clearly outline the need for modelling and simulation modelling informed drug development in that guideline as well.

6時00分
So for example, we can build pharmacokinetic bio distribution model that allow to derive the organ absorb dose or the biological effective dose and then correlate this organ absorb dose or BDS to efficacy and toxicity.

6時17分
Because that’s really a key question.

6時19分
Also that is highlighted in the guideline is what is the correlation between the radiation dose delivered and the toxicities and the long term toxicity.

6時30分
So clearly modelling and simulation can play a great role to do that.

6時35分
And that’s especially surprising because it’s written in all pre IND feedback within that they are requesting for pick and exposure response.

6時44分
So why not specifying that in in the guidance.

6時47分
That’s that’s surprising to us.

6時50分
Yeah, yeah.

6時51分
So for me that the main missing piece, but there are maybe two small other commands for those imagery, the states critical, but they don’t give really any insights on when and how to to perform those imagery.

7時06分
We know from or based on our experience that there are requesting those imagery at all cycles in a large number of patient.

7時13分
So it could also have been specified in the guidance.

7時16分
It’s not it’s not written and the last maybe small pieces that is missing that they are not really describing the selection of starting those except that they say that it should remain below IBRT’s result.

7時29分
But no, no, no details probably because it’s also discussed in the non clinical guidance, the translational one, but it’s very high level description in the non clinical.

7時42分
So I think the guideline may benefit also to give a bit more details and again, maybe refer to modelling and simulation, for example, quantitative systems pharmacology or translational PKPD model that can be really helpful for a first in human dose selection and and those range selection in general.

8時04分
So that’s are my key takeaways from from the guidance.

8時11分
Well, that is that’s great to know and for our readers to know if you need help with dose optimization of your targeted radiopharmaceutical.

8時20分
Dr Mano has a team of works with a team of clinical pharmacologists and modellers at Sirtara and they can certainly help you out.

8時26分
So thank you so much Amandine, always a pleasure talking to you.

8時30分
Thank you, Susan.

8時32分
And you’ve been for our audience.

8時34分
You’ve been watching Sirtara talks.

8時36分
If you have more questions on this topic, reach out to us on our website.

8時40分
And as always, I’m Suzanne Minton, and we’ll see you next time.

The video explains therapeutic radiopharmaceutical (RPTs or targeted radiation therapies; TRTs) covering how they work, their clinical applications, and Certara’s role in supporting development through modeling, simulation, and regulatory strategies. It highlights the potential of RPTs in oncology and the importance of quantitative approaches to optimize safety and efficacy.

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